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Interview with Doug and Amanda Fine: Living off the Grid

Saturday, February 21st, 2009

 An Interview with Doug and Amanda Fine

by Justyn LeDrew

Bio: We live on a remote ranch in New Mexico with our three-month-old son, three goats, two dozen chickens and ducks, three dogs, two cats, and assorted owls and bats.  Most of the ranch is solar-powered, we drive on vegetable oil, and we try to raise (or eat) as much food locally as we can.  We are in our 30’s. We love reading to each other, hiking and floating rivers. 

One Green Wish: 

Amanda: that you won’t have to read labels anymore to see if your food is real, or manufactured poison.  Organic won’t b a special label.  Artificial coloring and flavoring won’t be considered part of a normal diet. 

Doug: All humanity will have learned to conduct individual life and society  in a sustainable manner – forest and coral reef cover will increase, water flows and quality will be restored world-wide, climate issues will be resolved, and yet humans will still be able to thrive.

 One life lesson learned:  

Doug and Amanda: In the words of Kingsley Amis, there is no end to the ways that nice things are nicer than nasty ones.  We prefer being happy, have learned that no one else need to be sad for us to be happy, and that worry almost never does any good.  In short, we feel like we are at our best when we’re full of joy. 

Justyn: How has living off the grid changed who you are? For example your relationship with self, the sacred, politics?

Doug and Amanda: Having more say over the basics in our life, like power, transportation, and food, carries over and proves empowering in all aspects in life.  For example, we laugh at what radio and television commercials try to sell us these days.  We don’t need much of it.

Justyn: Have you been inspired to find new interests?

Doug and Amanda: It all ties in.  We’ve started to think more about water collection and permaculture since it can have real and positive impacts on our lives.  Greenhousing is another new interest.  The internet (solar-powered) helps us research new interests. 

 Justyn: Many, I am sure, have asked you what the difficulties of living off the grid are, what I want to know is how has dealing with these difficulties deepened your compassion for yourselves?

Doug and Amanda: We hardly notice any difficulties.  Sure, there are tweaks like making sure the solar panels on our water pump get us enough water on rainy days, or that monsoon rains don’t take out our driveway (again), but the most significant impact of living remote and locally is  that we are so delightfully tied into home space.  We hardly need to or want to leave the ranch.

Justyn:  How has it changed your relationship with each other?

Doug and Amanda: We’re best friends and we’re starting a family now, but that would probably have happened wherever we lived.   We get to spend much more time together than if we had to commute.  We operate as a team in nearly everything, but then probably many couples do.

Justyn:  In June 2008 you welcomed Quinn into your lives. Has having had a baby made being green more complicated? 

Doug and Amanda: I’m writing a lot about this right now.  We think about green house paints, unfinished wood crib and toys, organic cloth diapers and clothes, and amanda’s diet so that her milk is the healthiest it can be.  

Justyn: Since having Quinn have you in anyway questioned how you are living?

Doug and Amanda: Quinn just makes us realize how important sustainable living is. 

Justyn: Do you feel your child might not be prepared to deal with american culture?

Doug and Amanda: American culture can mean a lot of things.  I think we feel proud and lucky to live in a place that is probably more free than any other society ever.  But we are also part of one planet, and unless everyone starts living sustainably everywhere, it doesn’t matter where you’re from – we won’t survive.  As far as the less desireable consumer-based aspects of digital age life, we’ll try to raise our kids to be independent conscious beings who are resistent to advertising, and realize from their upbringing that if they have health and love and home, they don’t need many consumer products like scented chemicals to make them smell good or brand name clothes to be cool.  I think any parents can raise their kids this way.  Also we hope to balance natural and digital age inputs so that our kids learn to enjoy being a member of the animal kingdom and treasure the earth, while also taking an inerest in the wider world around them.  So we’ll plant gardens and milk goats, but we’ll also surf the ‘net for info about the malian music. 

Justyn:  What initial changes would you suggest someone in the mainstream make who wants to be more eco-conscious?

Doug and Amanda: Try to live locally – in food especially.  This is possible anywhere.  Read labels on food and fabrics.  Don’t eat, clean with, wash with or put anything on your body that you don’t understand.  Try to wean from fossil fuels. 

Justyn: What non-green things (products, activities etc) are  still really tempting?

Doug and Amanda: Exotic food and airplane travel (hopefully the world airplane sleet will go solar).

Justyn: How has living off the grid transformed your global views? Your connection with humanity?

Doug and Amanda: The digital age as a whole makes us realize this is one small planet.  Everything is interconnected from the microbes in soil to the companies that harvest resources on a large scale.  At the same time, we realize that we want to be as responsible as possible for our own well-being, not relying on government or a heealth care system or any food companies.  Living remote also makes us very conscious of our own energy use and our carbon and waste production.  We want to harvest the methane from a composting toilet to cook with, for example.

Justyn: What do you hope to see change in Quinn’s lifetime?

Doug and Amanda: World peace, of course. 

Learn more about Doug and Amanda’s life living off the grid in rural New Mexico at their website: Doug Fine. You can also purchase a signed copy of Doug’s latest book, Farewell My Subaru, at their website. Doug has written several books, is an adventure journalist, and contributes to NPR.

 

©2009 by Justyn LeDrew

 

Tags: Amanda Fine, Doug FIne, Farewell My Subaru, living off the grid, NPR contributor, solar living
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Indoor Air Pollution

Monday, December 22nd, 2008

One of the main components of a green or eco-conscious lifestyle is a concern about air quality–pollution from autos, trucks, planes, factories. We often overlook the fact that indoor air quality is often worse and can be up to ten times worse than the quality of the air outside our home, our office, and our kids’ school. During the winter most of us are indoors a lot more than during the warmer months so indoor air quality becomes even more important.

It makes sense that the indoor air quality is not as good because indoor air is basically outdoor air trapped indoors with all the pollutants from the home added. Here are some of the chief sources of indoor air pollution.

• Chemicals such as polybrominated biphenyl (PBB), polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB), asbestos, dioxin, and formaldahyde are found in furniture, mattresses, carpets, paints, sealants, wiring, insulation and common household products. Then drapes and carpets trap these pollutants as well as dust mites and other allergens. 

• Biological Contaminants such as mold, viruses, mildew, dust mites, animal dander and bacteria. Proper ventilation is crucial as most of these grow in damp, warm environments. These contaminants often lead to allergy related symptoms.

• Second hand smoke from tobacco smokers.

• Combustion from fireplaces, gas stoves, gas space heaters and wood stoves give off carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide and small particles.

• Lead in old  pipes.

• Radon is sometimes found in building materials and the bedrock under a house.

 

Solutions to the problem of indoor air pollution include ventilating the house, growing indoor plants, getting rid of the toxic household products that you may have, buy natural products in the future. Debra Lynn Dadd has a great site about transforming your home from hazardous to healthy.

Tags: carbon monoxide, debra lynn dadd, indoor air pollution, radon, second hand smoke
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What is your global footprint?

Thursday, December 11th, 2008

As Americans we often take for granted a level of consumption that is the highest in the world. If there is any upside to the recent economic crisis, it may be that we now have to be more careful about how much we buy, how many resources we consume. Here is a quiz that will calculate for you the size of your global footprint or the size of your child’s global footprint. Taking the quiz can be fun as well as informative as a family activity.

Often kids are ahead of their parents in their desire to live an ecologically sustainable life. As responsible parents and responsible citizens of the world, we would do well to encourage our children’s love of the planet and understanding of how natural resources are used.  

                                                   photo by Chor Ip

Earthways: Simple Environmental Activities for Young Children, a papeback book by Carol Petrash, has a lot of developmentally-appropriate, imaginative activities in science, nature and art designed to empower young children to feel a joyous kinship with nature. Organized by seasons, this resource book devotes large sections to various nature crafts and natural toys with which young children can celebrate the gifts of the seasons and experience the rhythms and changes of their world. Spark your children’s imagination with over 90 environment-friendly activities. These instantaneous art and nature activities encourage the understanding and appreciation of the earth and other living things. 

 

 

                                                                                                                       photo by Shahram Sharif 

Tags: ecology, global footprint
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What is Permaculture? by Debra Lynn Dadd

Monday, November 17th, 2008

 

What is Permaculture? 

by Debra Lynn Dadd

I first learned about Permaculture in 1992, I think it was. I took a weekend workshop, and the response among the attendees was so positive, that we formed a small group, so that we could all learn more about Permaculture and how to apply it in the San Francisco area. 

As a result, I decided to use Permaculture principles on my own woodland acre in Marin county. It was then I realized that while I could use different Permaculture techniques–such as building swales, composting my soil, or arrange my plants in companion-planted “guilds”–I really couldn’t say what made my garden aPermaculture garden. I wanted to be able to invite people over and say, “This is Permaculture!” I finally had to ask myself, “What is it about Permaculture that makes it Permaculture, and not organic gardening, or alternative energy, or edible landscaping, or xeriscaping, or…?” As I asked around, I found I wasn’t the only one that was confused. 

PERMACULTURE DEFINED 

The concept of Permaculture can be difficult to grasp, I believe, because it is many different things. It is 

* a global grass roots movement to build a sustainable world culture 
* the study of nature and natural systems 
* an ethic of respect for the intrinsic value of nature and human culture
* an attitude of cooperation with nature and neighbors
* a lifestyle that integrates ecologically sustainable qualities into our lives and communities. 

In Permaculture: A Designer’s Manual by the originator of Permaculture, Bill Mollison, the official definition Permaculture (permanent agriculture) is: 

the conscious design and maintenance of agriculturally productive ecosystems which have the diversity, stability, and resilience of natural ecosystems. It is the harmonious integration of landscape and people providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material and non-material needs in a sustainable way…

Does this mean, then, that installing a windmill for energy is Permaculture, or growing native edible plants for food, or building with locally-available materials is Permaculture? Yes, these are all activities that fit into the practice of Permaculture, but it goes beyond these individual elements. 

PERMACULTURE AS A DESIGN SYSTEM 

What is uniquely and identifiably Permaculture is a specific system of design for long-term sustainablity that–while originally developed for large tracts of open Australian land–can be used to design any system, from a backyard garden, to a house, to a community. While Permaculture design is the subject of one 575-page book, many smaller books, and even more smaller journals and study groups, the basics of Permaculture design are straightforward and simple. It is the application of these principles in specific places for specific purposes that is complex. 

Permaculture design begins with a set of ethics that say 

1) care for the Earth, 
2) care for the people, and 
3) set limits to population and consumption. 

This ethic is coupled with a determination that we should “make our own way: to be neither employers nor employees, landlords nor tenants, but to be self-reliant as individuals and to cooperate as groups.” 

Its basic philosophy is one of “working with rather than against nature; of protracted and thoughtful observation rather than protracted and thoughtless action; of looking at systems and people in all their functions, rather than asking only one yield of them; and of allowing systems to demonstrate their own evolutions.” 

Instead of asking “What can I get from this land, or person?” the question becomes “What does this person, or land have to give if I cooperate with it?” 

Admittedly, Permaculture as a design system contains nothing new, it simply rearranges what is there in a different way that is more sustainable. The role of successful design is to create “open systems” that maintain their complex forms and functions through continuous exchanges of energies and materials with their environment, while being self-regulated and self-managed. Everything in the garden or house or community should be able to get their needs met from the system and put wastes back into the system. 

A house and its inhabitants, for example, could bring in necessities from outside the system –such as packaged, processed food from the supermarket, energy flowing through power lines from a nuclear plant, and chemically treated municipal water from the tap–and send its wastes to the garbage dump and sewage treatment plant. Or, it could get necessities inside the system from the land itself from which it is an integral part–food from a garden or greenhouse; energy from sun, wind or water power; water from a well or rainfall catchment system–and benefit from the wastes as compost and greywater routed for garden irrigation. The house and land then is a whole, living, self-reliant system that becomes more and more complex and stable, instead of being dependent on external, distant, polluting, and nonrenewable “life support” systems. 

PERMACULTURE DESIGN PRINCIPLES 

There are five basic Permaculture design principles. 

1. “Work with Nature, rather than against it”. Learn about the ecology of the place, how Nature operates there, assist rather than impede natural flows, and design according to natural processes. If, for example, you know that the site is a steep slope that gets morning sun, and cold air moves to the bottom of the valley, your design might be to put the house further up the side of the slope to keep it warmer, or to plant a “windbreak” uphill from the valley garden to redirect the downward flow of cold air and keep the area warmer. 

2. “The problem is the solution”. Everything works both ways–it is only how we see things that determines whether they work for us or against us. Everything is a positive resource, it is only up to us to learn the qualities and characteristics of the resources on our site and use them to our advantage. We could curse the wind that blows cold and strong, or use its strength to power a wind generator and its temperature to cool a storage cupboard in a heated house. 

3. “Make the least change for the greatest possible effect”. Choose the site for the house in a flat area, for example, rather than perched on the side of a hill that would require excavation. 

4. “The yield of a system is theoretically unlimited.” The only limits, according to Permaculture, is the limit of information and imagination of the designer. A system can always be made more complex, more stable, more abundant. 

5. “Everything makes its own garden,” or everything has an effect on its own environment. Because of this, it is very important to consider how all parts of the system of our home– including ourselves, plants, animals, water, sunshine, soil–interact and fit into the system itself. 

One of the most important aspect of Permaculture design–and one that is usually lacking in other design methods–is the connections between elements. Instead of thinking of a window or a wall or a bed or a skylight or a person or a houseplant as separate design elements, a Permaculture designer would take into consideration how each functions (and would look at all creative functions, not just the obvious ones) and then place each element in relation to the others in an ordered way so they can work most beneficially together. Stability comes not from the number of diverse things in the system, but the number of beneficial connections between them. 

PERMACULTURE DESIGN PROCESS 

“A design is a marriage of landscape, people, and skills in the context of a regional society.” To apply Permaculture to a particular place is an ongoing process that will continue to evolve as the inhabitants become more and more intimate with their land, so in this sense what is usually considered to be a finished design is simply a place to start–it’s a plan with a direction. It is impossible to describe and sufficiently illustrate everything you need to know to apply Permaculture design in one short article, but here are some basics for getting started. 

Permaculture design begins with observation: you need to physically see what is there and not rely on secondhand information. Because observation must include both objects (such as trees or buildings) and processes (such as the movement of air, water, and sun over the site, and seasonal occurrences of plants and animals), observation must be done over time, even for the initial design, and will continue after the land is inhabited as the design unfolds and evolves. 

Next, make a list of the characteristics (needs and products) of the components that will go into the design. These could include site components (water, earth, landscape, climate, plants), energy components (technologies, structures, sources, connections), social components (legal requirements, people, local culture, trade, finance), and abstract components (timing, ethics). For the design to be functional and self-regulating, place the elements in such a way that each serves the needs, and accepts the products, of the other elements. Every component of a design should function in many ways, and every essential function should be supported by many components. Note how elements are already intrinsically connected. People in a house, for example, have a need for food and produce vegetative matter as a by-product of meal preparation. An obvious link here is between people and a garden, as the garden both provides food and accepts its waste. 

Then observe nature and imitate the structure and processes of local natural systems. Use native species and materials, see what natural processes are at work and how you can enhance them for your benefit. One important aspect of Permaculture is to use patterns found in nature as inspiration for design. 

Consider, too, the natural flows of movement Ñ where do you naturally want to walk, what places are you drawn to for certain activities. In the process of planning my hillside garden, we had to cut some terraces. The natural placement of the steps became clear as we repeatedly chose the same spot as having the easiest access to clamber between the two levels. 

Conservation of energy is an important part of Permaculture design. This is done by locating components relative to the two energy sources of the site: the energy available on site (people, wastes, fuels) and the energy entering or flowing through the site (wind, sunlight, rain, water flow and wildfire). 

On-site energies are placed in “zones” of use and access. Zones are a series of concentric circles around the house, the innermost being the area we visit most frequently and manage most intensively. Of course, in real design the concentric circles are not exact, but rather relative areas, and on many sites you don’t get past zone one (about twenty feet from the house). Zone placement of any component is decided by the frequency you need to visit it or it needs you to visit. On a smaller scale, this can apply to house or room design as well, placing those elements most related and frequently used together. 

Energy flowing through the site is analyzed according to “sectors”, plotted in a circle around the house with the house itself being the throughpoint. Energies from outside are thought of as so many arrows winging their way towards the home, carrying both destructive and beneficial energies needing shields, deflectors, or collectors. 

DESIGN FOR SUSTAINABILITY 

Above all, the purpose of Permaculture is to create a sustainable world. Within the structure of a Permaculture design, other sustainable practices can be used that are not exclusively Permaculture: natural building materials, resource conservation, vernacular design, renewable energy systems, organic gardening, and many more. Permaculture brings them all together in a way that we can see their interconnections–instead of being pieces, they become part of a whole. 

Today, there are many books on Permaculture and Permaculture groups around the world. Search on “Permaculture” with your favorite search engine to find them. 

Hailed as “The Queen of Green” by the New York Times, Debra Lynn Dadd has been a leading consumer advocate for products and lifestyle choices that are better for health and the environment since 1982. Visit her website to learn more about her book Home Safe Home, to sign up for her free email newsletters, and to browse 100s of links to 1000s of nontoxic, natural and earthwise products.http://www.dld123.com 

 Copyright ©2008 Debra Lynn Dadd - all rights reserved.


 

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